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		<title>By: davecouch</title>
		<link>http://www.mebanefaber.com/2009/10/16/successful-market-timing/comment-page-1/#comment-4294</link>
		<dc:creator>davecouch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meb:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You are 100% correct in your analysis.  I turned 70 years old this year.  For 35 years, I have followed the 39 week averages of five major markets -- Dow Industrials, Dow Transportations, S&amp;P, Geometric, and QQQ or Nasdaq.  When all of these indices are above their 39 week average for 2 consecutive Friday closes -- that is a buy signal.  When these indices are all below their 39 week averages for 2 consecutive Friday closes -- that is a sell signal.  Such a system is not perfect, but a system helps one avoid major loses and be on the upside when there is a bull market emerging.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Your system is easier to maintain, and works the same way.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As you conclude, it is very difficult to discipline one&#039;s self to follow a system.  Seems I have followed my instincts at times, instead of a system -- this seldom works, and I have had to try to make up fairly large losses when I do not follow a buy and sell static system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meb:</p>
<p>You are 100% correct in your analysis.  I turned 70 years old this year.  For 35 years, I have followed the 39 week averages of five major markets &#8212; Dow Industrials, Dow Transportations, S&#038;P, Geometric, and QQQ or Nasdaq.  When all of these indices are above their 39 week average for 2 consecutive Friday closes &#8212; that is a buy signal.  When these indices are all below their 39 week averages for 2 consecutive Friday closes &#8212; that is a sell signal.  Such a system is not perfect, but a system helps one avoid major loses and be on the upside when there is a bull market emerging.</p>
<p>Your system is easier to maintain, and works the same way.</p>
<p>As you conclude, it is very difficult to discipline one&#39;s self to follow a system.  Seems I have followed my instincts at times, instead of a system &#8212; this seldom works, and I have had to try to make up fairly large losses when I do not follow a buy and sell static system.</p>
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		<title>By: davecouch</title>
		<link>http://www.mebanefaber.com/2009/10/16/successful-market-timing/comment-page-1/#comment-3056</link>
		<dc:creator>davecouch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meb:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You are 100% correct in your analysis.  I turned 70 years old this year.  For 35 years, I have followed the 39 week averages of five major markets -- Dow Industrials, Dow Transportations, S&amp;P, Geometric, and QQQ or Nasdaq.  When all of these indices are above their 39 week average for 2 consecutive Friday closes -- that is a buy signal.  When these indices are all below their 39 week averages for 2 consecutive Friday closes -- that is a sell signal.  Such a system is not perfect, but a system helps one avoid major loses and be on the upside when there is a bull market emerging.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Your system is easier to maintain, and works the same way.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As you conclude, it is very difficult to discipline one&#039;s self to follow a system.  Seems I have followed my instincts at times, instead of a system -- this seldom works, and I have had to try to make up fairly large losses when I do not follow a buy and sell static system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meb:</p>
<p>You are 100% correct in your analysis.  I turned 70 years old this year.  For 35 years, I have followed the 39 week averages of five major markets &#8212; Dow Industrials, Dow Transportations, S&#038;P, Geometric, and QQQ or Nasdaq.  When all of these indices are above their 39 week average for 2 consecutive Friday closes &#8212; that is a buy signal.  When these indices are all below their 39 week averages for 2 consecutive Friday closes &#8212; that is a sell signal.  Such a system is not perfect, but a system helps one avoid major loses and be on the upside when there is a bull market emerging.</p>
<p>Your system is easier to maintain, and works the same way.</p>
<p>As you conclude, it is very difficult to discipline one&#39;s self to follow a system.  Seems I have followed my instincts at times, instead of a system &#8212; this seldom works, and I have had to try to make up fairly large losses when I do not follow a buy and sell static system.</p>
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		<title>By: adbutler007</title>
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		<dc:creator>adbutler007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mark, I am analyzing your 10-month asset allocation system from your 2009 paper update. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As part of my analysis I checked the data from the monthly returns table you posted on page 41 of the paper. When I enter the data I get different annual return numbers. For example, for the 1973 monthly series I get an annualized geometric mean monthly return of 5.64% versus your 7.39%.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I simply added 1 to each number in the row, and used the GEOMEAN function to find the geometric average monthly return: GEOMEAN(B2:M2). I then raised the geometric mean to the power of 12 and subtracted 1 from the result to get the annualized return.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have posted an image of my table at:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://99.231.140.109/%7Edaddy/images/091020_Faber_Monthly&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://99.231.140.109/~daddy/images/091020_Fabe...&lt;/a&gt; Return_Analysis.jpg&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, you can download my spreadsheet at:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://99.231.140.109/%7Edaddy/images/091020_XLS_Faber_Timing_Model_Monthly_Returns_Sharing.xlsx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://99.231.140.109/~daddy/images/091020_XLS_...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps your annual results include dividends and interest which are not captured at the monthly level?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Would you mind clarifying for me? Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mark, I am analyzing your 10-month asset allocation system from your 2009 paper update. </p>
<p>As part of my analysis I checked the data from the monthly returns table you posted on page 41 of the paper. When I enter the data I get different annual return numbers. For example, for the 1973 monthly series I get an annualized geometric mean monthly return of 5.64% versus your 7.39%.</p>
<p>I simply added 1 to each number in the row, and used the GEOMEAN function to find the geometric average monthly return: GEOMEAN(B2:M2). I then raised the geometric mean to the power of 12 and subtracted 1 from the result to get the annualized return.</p>
<p>I have posted an image of my table at:</p>
<p><a href="http://99.231.140.109/%7Edaddy/images/091020_Faber_Monthly" rel="nofollow">http://99.231.140.109/~daddy/images/091020_Fabe&#8230;</a> Return_Analysis.jpg</p>
<p>Also, you can download my spreadsheet at:</p>
<p><a href="http://99.231.140.109/%7Edaddy/images/091020_XLS_Faber_Timing_Model_Monthly_Returns_Sharing.xlsx" rel="nofollow">http://99.231.140.109/~daddy/images/091020_XLS_&#8230;</a></p>
<p>Perhaps your annual results include dividends and interest which are not captured at the monthly level?</p>
<p>Would you mind clarifying for me? Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: keithpiccirillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>keithpiccirillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hussman link:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hussmanfunds.com/pdf/diligence.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.hussmanfunds.com/pdf/diligence.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No stop losses used, and has flesh in the game.Has not participated much in this rally, and short exposure apparently kept returns flat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hussman link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hussmanfunds.com/pdf/diligence.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.hussmanfunds.com/pdf/diligence.pdf</a></p>
<p>No stop losses used, and has flesh in the game.Has not participated much in this rally, and short exposure apparently kept returns flat.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkM</title>
		<link>http://www.mebanefaber.com/2009/10/16/successful-market-timing/comment-page-1/#comment-3018</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 10:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Name. I have been a shareholder of Hussman&#039;s in both funds since 2005. While I haven&#039;t made a ton of money in HSGFX I haven&#039;t lost any either. HSTRX has produced fine returns. I guess I was astounded at the little to no exposure during any of this rally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Name. I have been a shareholder of Hussman&#39;s in both funds since 2005. While I haven&#39;t made a ton of money in HSGFX I haven&#39;t lost any either. HSTRX has produced fine returns. I guess I was astounded at the little to no exposure during any of this rally.</p>
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		<title>By: Name</title>
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		<dc:creator>Name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 04:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I guess I recall this post, and have checked on Merriman&#039;s record.  I recall that they had gotten away from the strict following of the moving average signals and that their performance had suffered.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As far as the post from rsmlp, Hussman is certainly a market timer, even though he would never admit it.  I have been a shareholder of his growth fund almost since its first day.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As far as the 40 week ma system trying one&#039;s perserverance, it would have done that during the &#039;90&#039;s for sure.  During a strong bull move, this system would have under-performed.  Its strength is evident during the past decade, and the outperformance during the bear moves is one of the most important concepts it has going for it.  The other would be the non-correlation of its asset classes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I guess I recall this post, and have checked on Merriman&#39;s record.  I recall that they had gotten away from the strict following of the moving average signals and that their performance had suffered.</p>
<p>As far as the post from rsmlp, Hussman is certainly a market timer, even though he would never admit it.  I have been a shareholder of his growth fund almost since its first day.  </p>
<p>As far as the 40 week ma system trying one&#39;s perserverance, it would have done that during the &#39;90&#39;s for sure.  During a strong bull move, this system would have under-performed.  Its strength is evident during the past decade, and the outperformance during the bear moves is one of the most important concepts it has going for it.  The other would be the non-correlation of its asset classes.</p>
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		<title>By: rsmlp</title>
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		<dc:creator>rsmlp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mark, hussman is by no means &quot;market timing&quot; in that he would tend to sell when markets rally (trend) and buy when sold off. pretty much the opposite of this approach. &lt;BR&gt;this is an excellent post. I&#039;ve been in the business 25 years and I can promise you that despite warnings of under performance when it happens people will stray-which is precisely why this works. If everyone did it, it would fail of it&#039;s own weight. Nothing is perfect and this model will certainly try your perserverance at some point.&lt;/BR&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mark, hussman is by no means &#8220;market timing&#8221; in that he would tend to sell when markets rally (trend) and buy when sold off. pretty much the opposite of this approach. <br />this is an excellent post. I&#39;ve been in the business 25 years and I can promise you that despite warnings of under performance when it happens people will stray-which is precisely why this works. If everyone did it, it would fail of it&#39;s own weight. Nothing is perfect and this model will certainly try your perserverance at some point.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Meb. Do you consider Hussman&#039;s to be a timing system and what do you think of his performance? I know you have written favorably of him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Meb. Do you consider Hussman&#39;s to be a timing system and what do you think of his performance? I know you have written favorably of him.</p>
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		<title>By: tom_brakke</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom_brakke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.  One of the best market timing signals I have ever seen was a simple 18-month moving average of a bond yield index.  It was amazing how well it gave signals for the fixed income market.  The guy I worked for who used it had great returns, even though being in a big shop he had to deal with lots of pressures when it was a bit out of sync.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.  One of the best market timing signals I have ever seen was a simple 18-month moving average of a bond yield index.  It was amazing how well it gave signals for the fixed income market.  The guy I worked for who used it had great returns, even though being in a big shop he had to deal with lots of pressures when it was a bit out of sync.</p>
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