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	<title>Comments on: Factor Based Stock Screening for Up and Down Markets</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.mebanefaber.com/2008/05/28/factor-based-stock-screening-for-up-and-down-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-2033</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if my memory serves me well, years ago i heard an inspired discussion concerning the bull/bear- relative strength issue presented by a money manager named &quot;Gary Anderson?&quot; who wrote a book- the Janus Factor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if my memory serves me well, years ago i heard an inspired discussion concerning the bull/bear- relative strength issue presented by a money manager named &#8220;Gary Anderson?&#8221; who wrote a book- the Janus Factor.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.mebanefaber.com/2008/05/28/factor-based-stock-screening-for-up-and-down-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-1932</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is a useful research&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.financialmarketresearch.net/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is a useful research</p>
<p><a href="http://www.financialmarketresearch.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.financialmarketresearch.net/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
		<link>http://www.mebanefaber.com/2008/05/28/factor-based-stock-screening-for-up-and-down-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-1914</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The response below may not be exactly what you were looking for, but may be helpful to you and/or your readers nonetheless.  It is a bit wordy, but if you bear with it, I think you can find a nugget or two of value!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This problem really has two aspects; determining the market environment (bull or bear), and then deriving factors to gain the maximum RAR from that environment.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;IMO the market environment question really comes down to market timing (for example, it would be useless to measure price v. the 200 day ma unless this exercise had some predictive value).  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The question is then what is the most effective market timing model.  Academic research has determined pretty conclusively that stocks are positively autocorrelated in the 3-12 month horizon, and negatively autocorrelated in the 1 month and under horizon.  For a basic market timing model, it is then a matter of selecting and testing a two factor model which selects one longer term and one shorter term factor (moving average, ROC, advance/decline measures, etc).  The more time one applies to researching and backtesting the factors, the better the model.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The really interesting aspect of market timing, and the segway into the response to your question, is when one combines sentiment data into the market timing and factor selection process.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Denys Glushkov from Barclays demonstrates pretty well in the paper below that sentiment can not only help with the market timing problem, but in the question of factor selection as well.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=862444&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think if one expirements with the momentum/mean-reversion technique I discussed above, and combines that with sentiment data, a robust market timing model will be the result (for an example, the blog regimenia demonstrates an excellent fusion of momentum and sentiment models into an asset allocation model).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Then, finding inspiration from Glushkov, one can construct a high-beta portfolio for the times when the model is positive, and a low-beta portfolio when the model is negative (of course the factor doesn&#039;t have to be Beta, but it is something that performs well in my testing).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The response below may not be exactly what you were looking for, but may be helpful to you and/or your readers nonetheless.  It is a bit wordy, but if you bear with it, I think you can find a nugget or two of value!</p>
<p>This problem really has two aspects; determining the market environment (bull or bear), and then deriving factors to gain the maximum RAR from that environment.</p>
<p>IMO the market environment question really comes down to market timing (for example, it would be useless to measure price v. the 200 day ma unless this exercise had some predictive value).  </p>
<p>The question is then what is the most effective market timing model.  Academic research has determined pretty conclusively that stocks are positively autocorrelated in the 3-12 month horizon, and negatively autocorrelated in the 1 month and under horizon.  For a basic market timing model, it is then a matter of selecting and testing a two factor model which selects one longer term and one shorter term factor (moving average, ROC, advance/decline measures, etc).  The more time one applies to researching and backtesting the factors, the better the model.</p>
<p>The really interesting aspect of market timing, and the segway into the response to your question, is when one combines sentiment data into the market timing and factor selection process.  </p>
<p>Denys Glushkov from Barclays demonstrates pretty well in the paper below that sentiment can not only help with the market timing problem, but in the question of factor selection as well.</p>
<p><a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=862444" rel="nofollow">http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=862444</a></p>
<p>I think if one expirements with the momentum/mean-reversion technique I discussed above, and combines that with sentiment data, a robust market timing model will be the result (for an example, the blog regimenia demonstrates an excellent fusion of momentum and sentiment models into an asset allocation model).</p>
<p>Then, finding inspiration from Glushkov, one can construct a high-beta portfolio for the times when the model is positive, and a low-beta portfolio when the model is negative (of course the factor doesn&#8217;t have to be Beta, but it is something that performs well in my testing).</p>
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		<title>By: Bill aka NO DooDahs!</title>
		<link>http://www.mebanefaber.com/2008/05/28/factor-based-stock-screening-for-up-and-down-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-1910</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill aka NO DooDahs!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 17:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should check the equity curve of the short system here:&lt;br/&gt;http://www.billakanodoodahs.com/2008/01/trpits-part-iv/&lt;br/&gt;Note the timeframe during which it was hitting highs.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Scoring algorithm is here:&lt;br/&gt;http://www.billakanodoodahs.com/2008/01/trpits-part-iii/&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;To some extent, taking what works long (espec. in bull markets) works really well when you flip it in a bear market.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you have monthly output for test long and short data, you can always segregate it by whether the 100 ema was above the 180 ema for the S&amp;P 500 (or in your case, the S&amp;P 500 was above the 12-month sma).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Or, you could simply take a long-only set of factors that develop a portfolio with high beta (I mean REAL beta, as in slope of regression line beta), and go short those stocks in bear markets (assuming you have a good definition of those) and go long them in bull markets.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m not aware of any academic work on the subject.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Here&#039;s another question, or really, a statement.  Looking for factors that work in down markets better than in up markets presupposes that the modeler&#039;s universe is domestic stocks and the benchmark is a relative one ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should check the equity curve of the short system here:<br /><a href="http://www.billakanodoodahs.com/2008/01/trpits-part-iv/" rel="nofollow">http://www.billakanodoodahs.com/2008/01/trpits-part-iv/</a><br />Note the timeframe during which it was hitting highs.</p>
<p>Scoring algorithm is here:<br /><a href="http://www.billakanodoodahs.com/2008/01/trpits-part-iii/" rel="nofollow">http://www.billakanodoodahs.com/2008/01/trpits-part-iii/</a></p>
<p>To some extent, taking what works long (espec. in bull markets) works really well when you flip it in a bear market.</p>
<p>If you have monthly output for test long and short data, you can always segregate it by whether the 100 ema was above the 180 ema for the S&#038;P 500 (or in your case, the S&#038;P 500 was above the 12-month sma).</p>
<p>Or, you could simply take a long-only set of factors that develop a portfolio with high beta (I mean REAL beta, as in slope of regression line beta), and go short those stocks in bear markets (assuming you have a good definition of those) and go long them in bull markets.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not aware of any academic work on the subject.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another question, or really, a statement.  Looking for factors that work in down markets better than in up markets presupposes that the modeler&#8217;s universe is domestic stocks and the benchmark is a relative one &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mebane Faber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mebane Faber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 15:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary that is the best ID ever.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;bill - still doesn&#039;t answer what i am looking for, but thanks for the note.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary that is the best ID ever.  </p>
<p>bill &#8211; still doesn&#8217;t answer what i am looking for, but thanks for the note.</p>
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		<title>By: shittingalpha</title>
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		<dc:creator>shittingalpha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 01:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are quite a few papers looking at growth vs. value in bull and bear markets. Value tends to underperform in bear markets and this is sometimes cited as the increased risk that you take in compensation for higher long run historical returns.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;-Gary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are quite a few papers looking at growth vs. value in bull and bear markets. Value tends to underperform in bear markets and this is sometimes cited as the increased risk that you take in compensation for higher long run historical returns.</p>
<p>-Gary</p>
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		<title>By: Bill aka NO DooDahs!</title>
		<link>http://www.mebanefaber.com/2008/05/28/factor-based-stock-screening-for-up-and-down-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-1907</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill aka NO DooDahs!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 00:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s got a book on how to short stocks, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s got a book on how to short stocks, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Mebane Faber</title>
		<link>http://www.mebanefaber.com/2008/05/28/factor-based-stock-screening-for-up-and-down-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-1906</link>
		<dc:creator>Mebane Faber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 23:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BBL - I&#039;ll check it out&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Bill - Yeah I&#039;ve read O&#039;Neils books, but that doesn&#039;t help when market is going down. . .looking for predictive factors when that happens as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BBL &#8211; I&#8217;ll check it out</p>
<p>Bill &#8211; Yeah I&#8217;ve read O&#8217;Neils books, but that doesn&#8217;t help when market is going down. . .looking for predictive factors when that happens as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill aka NO DooDahs!</title>
		<link>http://www.mebanefaber.com/2008/05/28/factor-based-stock-screening-for-up-and-down-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-1905</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill aka NO DooDahs!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 23:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, a man named O&#039;Neil used a screen for stocks with strong EPS growth, but only entered them when the market trend was up.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;They called it &quot;CAN-something&quot; or other ...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Verily, I say to thee, there is nothing new under the sun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, a man named O&#8217;Neil used a screen for stocks with strong EPS growth, but only entered them when the market trend was up.</p>
<p>They called it &#8220;CAN-something&#8221; or other &#8230;</p>
<p>Verily, I say to thee, there is nothing new under the sun.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirzner Fervor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirzner Fervor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 21:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the sort of thing that makes me want to get a piled higher and deeper degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the sort of thing that makes me want to get a piled higher and deeper degree.</p>
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